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Most parts available. New resilient mounted Motors for the Myford 7 Lathes from £164.00 including VAT. Worldwide delivery. Debit & Credit Cards Accepted & Paypal for mail order Always wanted, Myford ML7 & Super 7 or ML10 Lathes. The good, the bad or the ugly.
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I offer a casting service specialising in small batches and one offs, producing good quality castings in variours
alloys using the lost wax process, ideal for the model engineer and restorer.
Any enquiries and more details can be found on my web site. www.abbeycasting.c......
We have 177 adverts and 33 completed so far in May 2012 119 For sale adverts and of these 29 have sold. 42 Wanted adverts and of these 3 found what they needed. 13 Information adverts and 3 Thank you posts.
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I offer a casting service specialising in small batches and one offs, producing good quality castings in variours
alloys using the lost wax process, ideal for the model engineer and restorer.
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Call Steve Cox on 07836 736496 or email landylift@aol.co.uk for quote. Machinery removal and transportation service based in WestYorkshire, UK coverage. Crane can lift 1100kg at 2 metres and 450kg at 4.6 metres. Vehicle can carry 850kg on 7 foot x 6 foot flatbed. Up to 1100kg ... Read more...
Details: Ajax power hacksaw this was in a friends workshop who has passed away he was in the proses of putting a single phase motor on and so it will need to be finished has got a very substantial vice comes with 230volt motor collection only due to weight asking £65
rotary table vertical & horizontal 90 to 1 ratio there is no makers name on it but i have been told that it's a criterion std it is in nice condition asking £60 would post at cost. any questions please phone edd on 07973405197
I would like to thank every one who runs this site and a wonderful job that they do kind regards eddie.
Terms: Price: £1.00 Collection Only
Contact: edward cortis kidderminster dy10 UK 01562 745379
Details: 240 volt, horizontal and vertical with swivelling table.2MT in both spindles, with spare new dual voltage motor for inverter drive.Both spindles have myford 1 1/8x12 whitworth thread.
Details: well i have now finished the model engine house and its time to sort out the boiler before i build it into its own boiler house what i need is some form of steam proof casket material to seal the boiler fittings when i screw them to the front plate of the boiler please see photos the flanges on my fittings are 11/4" O/D X 1/2" BORE on the smaller loco boilers i would use fibber washers so i know nothing of steam caskets of this size again all help appreciated yours peter
Most parts available. New resilient mounted Motors for the Myford 7 Lathes from £164.00 including VAT. Worldwide delivery. Debit & Credit Cards Accepted & Paypal for mail order Always wanted, Myford ML7 & Super 7 or ML10 Lathes. The good, the bad or the ugly.
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STEAMPLATES produce high quality polished and enamelled name plates etc. in Brass and Aluminium from 1" x 1/2" up to 96" x 48". Reproduction steam related name and other plates can be made to FULL SCALE. We also ... Read more...
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Details: Ajax Power Hacksaw, wonderful old 'nodding donkey' saw which will cut approximately 200mm, with adjustable feed and very substantial vice. Only for sale as I am downsizing my workshop and therefore need a smaller machine. Moderately modified with nylon wheels on the rear legs, a modern coolant jet and coolant pump. Auto feed and auto power off will stop the machine when the cut is complete. Single phase and will run from a 13 amp domestic plug. Will assist with loading!
Details: Burnerd lever action multisize collet chuck to take EC collets. With LO fitting. Centre height 5½", to suit Bantams etc. Some staining, otherwise little used, registers in good condition.
Price £75. plus carriage, either £12 by courier or £16 by Royal Mail (weighs 10kg).
Terms: Price: £75.00 Postage: £16.00 Collection or Post
Contact: Philip Robinson Chorley,Lancashire PR7 UK
Details: Myford Super 7 with quick change gearbox,single phase electrics.Comes on original Myford stand with raising blocks and deep chip tray.Equipment includes brand new 4" 3Jaw chuck,9" faceplate,Rear toolpost, 4 tool turret,tailstock chuck, centres and toolsbits.
Terms: Price: £995.00 Postage: Free Collection Only
Contact: Mike Norwich NR78 UK 07754799803 or 01603 415406
We are selling unique items for the home workshop like division plates that have 127 & 25 holes in them for direct indexing. We also stock some custom gears for the Myford lathes. You can see more of our stuff at our web site here Read more...
We specialise in factory and workshop clearance, from the large industrial to the small domestic, woodworking, engineering, retail, in fact practically anything. As a result we have three warehouses around Worcester full of 'stuff'. Milling, turning, welding, cutting, shaping, measuring, machines, workholding, tooling, electronics, you name it we've probably ... Read more...
I offer a casting service specialising in small batches and one offs, producing good quality castings in variours
alloys using the lost wax process, ideal for the model engineer and restorer.
Any enquiries and more details can be found on my web site. www.abbeycasting.co.uk Read more...
Details: I have a Gryphon brook 1HP 3 phase motor with a switch to match and 2 plugs. the motor is in excellent condition with external grease niples the shaft is 5/8" 21/4" long, the swith looks tatty because someone painted it but it works fine. Collection only please. £50.00 the lot
Details: Complete tailstock assembly taken from a 4.5" centre height Portass Dreadnought lathe that is due to be scrapped. Smooth action complete with 2MT centre and all handles and handwheel. Can be couriered to most parts of UK for about £11. Can confirm once I have your post code.
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Call Steve Cox on 07836 736496 or email landylift@aol.co.uk for quote. Machinery removal and transportation service based in WestYorkshire, UK coverage. Crane can lift 1100kg at 2 metres and 450kg at 4.6 metres. Vehicle can carry 850kg on 7 foot x 6 foot flatbed. Up to 1100kg ... Read more...
Most parts available. New resilient mounted Motors for the Myford 7 Lathes from £164.00 including VAT. Worldwide delivery. Debit & Credit Cards Accepted & Paypal for mail order Always wanted, Myford ML7 & Super 7 or ML10 Lathes. The good, the bad or the ugly.
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Details: cast iron myford end cover i can post this but it will be around the ten pound mark if you give me your email address i will forward a picture
Terms: Price: £10.00 Postage: £10.00 Collection or Post
Contact: William Hawkins london n99a UK 0208 292 9139
Details: I have anumber of 1/2 HP inverters to clear. Makes such as Danfoss, Lenze, Mitsubishi, ABB, Telemechanique etc. Some new others as new used condition. £75 Each + £5 towards P&P. What you will get is an inverter set up ready to go with free pendant cobtol box Kit. All you will need to do is connect the single phase supply and motor. Assemble the pendant control box to the instructions and you are up and runnng. Suitble for any machine with a 3 Phase motor rated at up to 1/2 HP and dual voltage connected in DELTA. Any questions please ask.
I have other size inverters also for sale please enquire.
Terms: Price: £75.00 Postage: £5.00 Collection or Post
Contact: Gavin Oseman Malvern WR14 UK 01684 574966
Details: End mill and slot drill re-sharpening service offered for a donation to Farleigh Hospice (Action has been approved by them) HSS only. Min dia 5mm. Max dia 16mm or imperial equivalent. End lips only not O/D £3 for 2 off £6 for 5 off £10 for 10 off You pay the postage Work is on an Alexander T&C grinder Tel. or e mail for more details.
Terms: Price: Multiple Post Only
Contact: Geoff Josey Chelmsford CM9 UK 01621 852375
Details: 140a sip arc welder £20 old slightly rusty case but working. Spot welder with separate transformer .Old ,case rusty but working.Selection of arms included. £25 6 12mm id linear bearings suitable cnc.new £15 Chris
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We are selling unique items for the home workshop like division plates that have 127 & 25 holes in them for direct indexing. We also stock some custom gears for the Myford lathes. You can see more of our stuff at our web site here Read more...
Details: Myford super 7 lathe,with clutch. Paint coming off but no ware on the slides, comes on bench. very smooth running. it has a 4 jaw and 3 jaw chucks,2 sets of jaws, a face plate, catchplate and extra chuck backplate. extras, milling slide with myford vice attached, this slide attaches to the T slotted cross slide on the lathe and can be adjusted to various angles. also is a boxed set of myford collets, various lathe tools, drill chucks with keys, guidebook etc. Can be seen running. This lathe is located in Worcester, I can deliver locally at cost as it is in a trailer at present. I am open to close offers on the asking price.
Details: Re my advert No 11484 for Link Drive Belt, this has been sold but I can't get the necessary email from the system to enable me to withdraw the advert. Similarly, my messages to "Contact Admin" don't seem to get there.
Details: Having now changed my model making interest from traction engines to kit built model tugboats I no longer use this machine so thought someone might like it.!!! It is home made from parts of a Selecta Home Workshop item that you may remember that was available about 50 years ago.Anyway it consists of a verticle column and arm of 1.75" dia steel tubes which I have filled with concrete to give more regidity.The spindle runs in double row ballraces & has a 2morse nose and a drawbar.It is driven via a 4 speed cone pulley from a motor from a treadmill fitted with a split pulley so that the speed (on each step) can be varied by swinging the motor and thus changing the distance bitween it and the driven spindle.If you see what I mean!! The distance from column to spindle is 6" to reach over the cross slide of the lathe which is used as the table.The machine is mounted on the bed in place of the tailstock of course. The whole machine is rather like the now redundant Amolco. As it is homebuilt I think £150 is a fair price. Due to size and weight it would need to be collected but I couldoffer to meet partway for cost of fuel. Anyone interested??
Terms: Price: £150.00 Collection Only
Contact: Colin Wilson Norwich NR11 UK 01263 720528
We specialise in factory and workshop clearance, from the large industrial to the small domestic, woodworking, engineering, retail, in fact practically anything. As a result we have three warehouses around Worcester full of 'stuff'. Milling, turning, welding, cutting, shaping, measuring, machines, workholding, tooling, electronics, you name it we've probably ... Read more...
I offer a casting service specialising in small batches and one offs, producing good quality castings in variours
alloys using the lost wax process, ideal for the model engineer and restorer.
Any enquiries and more details can be found on my web site. www.abbeycasting.co.uk Read more...
Want to put your advert on the site like this one. We get over 25,000 visitors a month to these pages and your name could be right here at the top of the listings. If you haven't got a web site that's no problem, we can just put the ... Read more...
Details: I have a requirement for the following involute gear cutters to manufacture three cast iron gears. 20DP, 14.5 degrees pressure angle, one number 2 cutter and one number 5 cutter. Hope someone can supply used cutters. Many Thanks.
Details: I have had this belting for some time, so its a bit dusty, but unused.
It looks like Fenner, but there is no writing on it. Size is 5/8" wide -16mm-(B section?) and there is nearly 3 metres of it (2.97m) or 117". Too big for Myfords and the like.
Price £18 including postage to UK mainland. Or collect and get a bit off.(the price not the belt)
Terms: Price: £18.00 Collection or Post
Contact: Philip Robinson Chorley,Lancashire PR7 UK
Details: I am wondering if any of the users of this excellent site have one of these machines? I know (according to Tony Griffiths' website) only about 12 were built so they are not exactly common or garden things. If anyone does have one I would be grateful to hear from you in the hope that you can help me out with one or two details. Thanks in advance.
Details: I have two inverters for sale. They are CC link FR-E520-0.1KN (0.1kw) They appear to operate from a Mitsubishi PLC link (that's the CC link bit) or probably a computer. You can add an FR PU04 parameter unit and control the inverter from that or indeed have a cable between the PU unit and the inverter if you want to control it remotely. The Snags are the manual is in Japanese and they are 3 phase 240 volt, both of which may be surmountable, indeed the manual is easily obtained on the web. I was going to use them for my suds pumps but I have a better solution now. Useful for the more complicated project if you use the CC link bit. I have two they are brand new and are cheap if anybody wants them. Price is for both if you want one it's £10 you get the other free! Do call to discuss before you buy if you are uncertain as to their use. Ashley
Terms: Price: £10.00 Postage: £6.00 Collection or Post
Contact: Ashley Slater Colchester CO4 UK 01206 272630
Call Steve Cox on 07836 736496 or email landylift@aol.co.uk for quote. Machinery removal and transportation service based in WestYorkshire, UK coverage. Crane can lift 1100kg at 2 metres and 450kg at 4.6 metres. Vehicle can carry 850kg on 7 foot x 6 foot flatbed. Up to 1100kg ... Read more...
Most parts available. New resilient mounted Motors for the Myford 7 Lathes from £164.00 including VAT. Worldwide delivery. Debit & Credit Cards Accepted & Paypal for mail order Always wanted, Myford ML7 & Super 7 or ML10 Lathes. The good, the bad or the ugly.
Read more...
STEAMPLATES produce high quality polished and enamelled name plates etc. in Brass and Aluminium from 1" x 1/2" up to 96" x 48". Reproduction steam related name and other plates can be made to FULL SCALE. We also ... Read more...
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Details: Can anyone direct me to information on small Burnerd Multisize collet chucks. I have a large chuck which takes EC collets for my Harrison (and is great) but I was delighted when I found another identical, but much smaller chuck which I thought would be ideal for my Boxford. However, it only came with one collet. I thought this must be the EA size and bought a part set at Harrogate at the weekend - they're too big!!. The only ID on the collet (apart from the sizes) is the letter "E". The diameter of the collet body at the top is 35mm (compared to the EA collet which is 42mm). Does anyone have information on these small multisize collets or happen to have some tucked away under the bench ( or a cheap EA chuck as I now have a useless set of collets!!). Thanks for reading.
Details: Myford Super 7 Lathe with gearbox, mounted on Myford cabinet containing Dewhurst reversing switch. Condition of Lathe and gearbox used, therefore normal wear to be accepted, otherwise clean and tidy. Powertwist main drive belt, Burnard self centering chuck, complete with manuals for machine and gearbox. Buyer must be prepared to inspect and test to ensure complete satisfaction and collect.
Terms: Price: £995.00 Collection Only
Contact: Alan Langford-Brown Wimborne BH21 UK 01202698725
Details: Has anyone got either the bare castings or partly completed of a Stuart any model would be of interest, need a project to keep me occupied,good price will be paid. Please contact me. David
Details: The workshop clear out has unearthed 2 small engineers vices, one is a Record No.0, 21/2" jaw width, the other is un-named, with 2" wide jaws. An interesting accessory for a 4" or 6" scale traction engine? £10 for the Record, £5 for the other.
Also a box of 25 200mm dia green sanding discs, fairly coarse. £10
Postage at cost, or I could deliver during my wanderings for work (mainly the north Midlands.)
Terms: Collection, Delivery or Post
Contact: Richard Wilson Birmingham B49 UK 07913 849846
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We are selling unique items for the home workshop like division plates that have 127 & 25 holes in them for direct indexing. We also stock some custom gears for the Myford lathes. You can see more of our stuff at our web site here Read more...
We specialise in factory and workshop clearance, from the large industrial to the small domestic, woodworking, engineering, retail, in fact practically anything. As a result we have three warehouses around Worcester full of 'stuff'. Milling, turning, welding, cutting, shaping, measuring, machines, workholding, tooling, electronics, you name it we've probably ... Read more...
Details: 1 off XY cross vice little use £10 Recoil (same as Helicoil) 2 sets 5/8 UNC each with 4 inserts, tap and insert tool 1 set 3/8 UNC with 10 inserts,tap and insert tool 1 set 10mm x 1.25 with 11 inserts 2x taps and insert tool 1 set 14mm x 1.25 (spark plug)with 2 short inserts, tap and insert tool All £10 each Air rams 5 off 80mm stroke x 25mm dia, double acting £3 each 1 off 50mm stroke x 50mm dia, double acting £4 6 off 15mm stroke 16mm dia, single acting £2 each Bridgeport Parts Quill depth stop screw with nut 50 increments on dial (new) £20 Knee rise / fall handle £15 2 off 11/2" BSP die nuts good condition £10 each Gear cutters (used) 8DP No's 1,2,3,4,5,6,7&8 14DP No's 2,5 &7 12DP No's 2 16DP No's 3 All £3 each
Details: In a nostalgic and senior moment I have recently purchased my two g.sons a size 10 Meccano.
I would like to make a 4/5 drawer box something like that supplied in my youth. Has anybody got details or an actual box they could sketch and measure for me?
Details: I'm probably looking for the impossible but seems this is the best place to find it. Has anyone got a hand pump (aka water lifter) with approx 11/2" bore and up to 2" stroke? I'd like to fit a larger capacity and more powerful pump in the the tender of my 3" Marshal traction engine where there's not a lot of room and limited stroke travel.The punp handle needs to work in a horizontal(side to side)motion rather than vertical. The one fitted is home made,works ok but watching paint dry is quicker than watching the pump work. OK - I can probably buy one or make one but thought this is the best place to start.I can send a pic or two of what I've got if anyone thinks they may have something of interest.Thanks
Contact: Brian Read Bromley Kent BR4 UK 07944380240
I offer a casting service specialising in small batches and one offs, producing good quality castings in variours
alloys using the lost wax process, ideal for the model engineer and restorer.
Any enquiries and more details can be found on my web site. www.abbeycasting.co.uk Read more...
Want to put your advert on the site like this one. We get over 25,000 visitors a month to these pages and your name could be right here at the top of the listings. If you haven't got a web site that's no problem, we can just put the ... Read more...
Call Steve Cox on 07836 736496 or email landylift@aol.co.uk for quote. Machinery removal and transportation service based in WestYorkshire, UK coverage. Crane can lift 1100kg at 2 metres and 450kg at 4.6 metres. Vehicle can carry 850kg on 7 foot x 6 foot flatbed. Up to 1100kg ... Read more...
Details: I bought this clamp set about 2 years ago and was assured it was 10mm, It wasn't It is 12mm and wont fit my mill, I have used parts of it on the lathe faceplate but to all intents and purposes it is unused, As I now have a 10mm set this one is up for sale, I am based in South Devon so if you are on holiday it would make sense to collect in person, I am willing to post it but it would not be cheap. PS The holding frame has some paint coming off in places.
Terms: Price: £25.00 Postage: £10.00 Collection or Post
Details: An older version of their BDS 460. 4" wide belt, 6" disc. Includes 2 spare belts. New price is £86, you can take mine away for £40. Too heavy to post, collect from Warrington, or can arrange to meet North Wales
Terms: Collection Only
Contact: Duncan Webster Warrington UK 01925 262525
Details: does anyone know where you can get hold of Abrafiles(davis files)quite popular not long ago now seem to of disapeared!!!
Have any of the visitors from abroard come across a round all edged blade that you mount in a hacksaw frame and is very usefull for cutting out unusall shapes in sheet metal.
Contact: John burridge oxford OX10 UK 01235-777852
Details: I have some more bits from the workshop clean out
2 wooden R8 collet racks, purchased from J&L. They were bolted to the wall and come complete with wall brackets. £7 each including postage
1 “Colletsizer” R8 tool rack this is brand new and has not been used imported recently from the US’ after the clean up I don’t need as many racks as I thought £18 including postage.
Details: These are all used, but in good or very good useable condition. Mostly 2nd taps, but plenty of plugs and some taper, ask if you have a preference or
requirement.
BA 0~6 mostly even sizes, some odd no.s. All £1.50 each Dies £2
BSF 3/16 ~ 3/8 £1.50 BSF 7/16 ~ 5/8 £2.50 BSF 9/16 up £3.50 Dies £2.50 ask for sizes
BSW 3/16 ~ 3/8 £1.50 BSW 7/16 ~ 5/8 £2.50 BSW 3/4 ~ 1 £4 BSW 1-1/4 £6 BSW 1-1/2 £8 BSW 1-3/4 £10 Dies £2.50 up to 3/8, £3.50 above. Ask for sizes
BSP 1/8, 1/4 £2 BSP 3/8 £3 BSP 1/2 £4
BSPT 3/4 £6 BSPT 1" £8
20TPI WF 3/8, 7/16, 1/2 dias £2.50 ea
BSB 26TPI WF 3/8, 1/2, 9/16 £3
ME 40TPI 5/16 £2.50
Postage at cost or minimum of £1.50
Terms: Collection, Delivery or Post
Contact: Richard Shute Folkestone CT18 UK 07985 791947
Details: Bosch vertical air grinder Model 0 607 355 100, 6 bar 8500 no load speed, max wheel dia 180 mm weight 4.9 kg. used but in good working order, i would not like to think how much to replace today. Collect or post at cost.
Most parts available. New resilient mounted Motors for the Myford 7 Lathes from £164.00 including VAT. Worldwide delivery. Debit & Credit Cards Accepted & Paypal for mail order Always wanted, Myford ML7 & Super 7 or ML10 Lathes. The good, the bad or the ugly.
Read more...
STEAMPLATES produce high quality polished and enamelled name plates etc. in Brass and Aluminium from 1" x 1/2" up to 96" x 48". Reproduction steam related name and other plates can be made to FULL SCALE. We also ... Read more...
Hi we are the people that host this wonderful site and want to offer our services to members of clubs and groups that would like their own presence on the world wide web. We have special unlimited space and transfer for only £40 £33 a year for clubs and ... Read more...
Details: If anyone has a Bullows Hydrovane compressor for sale (the one on three legs which looks like a space capsule) I should be most grateful if they would contact me, we at Bradford Model Engineering Society require one to run stationary engines at shows.
Details: I aquired this boiler when I bought the whole contents of a workshop, therefore I know nothing of it's history. It is in good condition, the grate indicating to me that it has not been fired that many times. It's in need of some TLC and a pressue test, the glass on the pressure gauge is cracked, the sight gauge glass is also missing. Overall Dimensions:- Height 13ins, Diameter 6.25ins, The firebox takes up half the volume with the boiler above about 6ins, eight tubes 0.625ins in diameter. The chimney, including base is 20ins high. It weighs 10.5kilos, therefore postage will be in the region of �£25.00. If you are interested, make me a reasonable offer, considering the price of boilers these days.
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