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First of all, I would like to thank AdamS for giving us "Shaper Nuts" somewhere to call home.
I have noticed that my orginal request for Elliott 14M info is now, close on 200 views in just over a week. Which makes me think that there are loads of "lurkers" out there who are still interested in Shapers.
Come out...come out...wherever you are?
As I may have mentioned in my first post, I have been "hooked" on Shapers ever since my school days...on an Elliott as it happens. I remember thinking it was huge at the time, however, it could only have been either a 10 inch or a 12 inch machine, but I was still in awe of the way it removed metal.
This was followed by using a 14M when at EITB training school during my apprenticeship. Then using an Ormerod 18 inch universal shaper (with all bells and whistles), which I absolutely loved, and a massively built 24 inch Thule (Sweden)Shaper in the Toolroom where I was employed for many years.
In my home workshop, I have an 8 inch Boxford Shaper, which has been owned by me for well over 20 years. The Elliott 10M is a relatively recent aquisition, as I have only owned this one for a couple of years. I did think that these two machines would satisfy my craving...but no!...it is not the case.
As I took early retirement last year, I now have the time to feed my craving...and whereas, when I was "working", a few hours at night on the wee machines kept my craving at bay. Now I have full days to "fill", and the wee machines are no longer enough. To this end, I have now sourced an Elliott 14MR, to give me a bigger "fix". I have just to arrange time and date to get it back home.
Just for info...I live in Fife (Scotland)...in case there are any other local Shaper Nuts.
PJ and Richard...I would like to use this area for us to get to know one another...and what you guys are working on.
Welcome onboard. I see that your shapers have "shrunk" in size over the years...not to worry...it's not what you've got that matters, it's how you use it...at least that's what the wife keeps telling me.
As you say, it is very "theraputic" watching a shaper going about it's business. I have always felt that it is the one machine in the workshop that you can use all day, WITHOUT getting "stressed out"
I think we can all relate to just how stressful it can be using a Mill at times...your always waiting on the thing "eating" your job...usually on the last cut!
Good to have you onboard...and another 10M owner!
Just so you know, over the years I have produced loads of contoured parts, in some cases, on pretty unforgiving materials on the humble Shaper. Things that you would not have stood a "cat in hells chance" of being about to produce on a Mill. Remember, you are only limited by your imagination...and hopefully, through this Shaper "Nuts" home, you will begin to see just how diverse the range of parts the humble Shaper can produce...and not all FLAT...by any manner of means.
By the way...Good to see you young guys discovering the joy and fascination of owning a Shaper...us "old farts" have been aware of them for many, many years.
Hi all,Reading this makes me think i should have one for the workshop, weather i need it or not !! I was a matennace fitter for many years until i went self employed 30 years ago but i am now semi retired.I bought a S/H myford super seven about 2 years and enjoy turning in the workshop,,,,Now what type of shaper would you recommend i look out for ?? I don't want a big type and it would be used just mainly hobby type things so any ideas folks.
Hi all being a time served machinist shaper,slotter planer and miller I would be very happy to be considered a shaper nut.I am 71 years of age and have an Alba 10 A shaper in my workshop which I would not part with. One of the first projects on it was to build a shaper vice these are very hard to come by. I fulley endorse all previous posts concerning shapers a machine for which I have sadley noted some negative responce on various web sites.
It therefore gives me great me great pleasure that some people at leasr know the value of a shaper and it's uses. For the record I once machined rack teeth on a large beam of 30 tons on a double ended shaper. The company where I served my apprenticeship had a belt driven shaper that could take an one inch depth of cut.
If I can be of help to any other shaper owners feel free to contact me via e mail.
B Reilly Glasgow.
Welcome onboard...and YIPPEE, another potential Shaper "Nut".
I would recommend you consider either an 8" Boxford or a 10" Elliott 10M. Both are good machines for the small workshop and tend to come up for sale quite frequently. The Boxford is the lighter machine of the two at 616 lbs. The Elliott 10M weights in at 750 lbs. Both machines can be split from their respective cabinet stands for transport, or to reduce the weight for manhandling into a small workshop.
Try and get a machine still fitted with the original vice if you can. as for example, the Boxford swivel vice can be demounted from the top of the table and remounted (vertical) on the side of the table by tightening one bolt.
Both machines will do a good job within their capabilities. I am sure you would not be disappointed with either machine. I speak from experience as I own both types of machine and have done so for many years.
Good luck and if you decide to get one, let us know.
I am sure you will get plenty of help to get you up and running.
Welcome aboard. Delighted to have a man of your experience offer to help others afflicted with the Shaper "Nut" disease.
Hopefully, once people start to see our enthusiasm for these machines, we might start to see a resurgence in interest in these fabulous machines...while there are still some going about.
As I have said previously, a lot of the time, I would rather do my machining on the Shaper than the Mill. I only tend to use the mill if I have to drill or bore "holes", as it is about the only thing the Shapers can't do!...and all with tooling that is a fraction of the cost of milling cutters.
Good to see another "Scottish based Shaper Nut" on board
Welcome aboard, Hand powered or Motor Powered, you qualify!
Please let us know what make of Hand Shaper you get, as I am sure there are other hand shaper devotees out there.
There is a good wee book available through TEE Publishing, and probably others, on "Sharpening Lathe and Shaping Machine Tools" written by Duplex. This is an old book, but has been reprinted many times over the years due to ongoing demand for it. It is only a small book, so only costs a few pounds.
Another excellent source of information is through the following web-site: www.neme-s.org which is packed with Shaper info, scroll down about halfway on the homepage to find it all.
Let us know how you get on.
Hi Shaper fans
As you will know it is very pleasing about the tight curls of hot metal that ping off a shaper. I used to have a hand shaper that had to got due to lack of space. Hopefuly some time in September all the family bikes will move out of the workshop and i will have 6 feet or so of wall free. A smaller powered shaper will be ideal to fit there. As i like Boxford lathes (currently gearhead 10-20)a boxford shaper will be nice. I had a copy of Duplex's book but let it go when i sold my hand shaper.I am in the Wirral by the way.
Hi there, thankyou for the welcome note. Iam hoping to acquire a little Adept No2 hand shaper which will want some fettling but no worries. I followed up the NEME-S link and contacted Errol Groff who confirmed that his original CD is now discontinued and the whole set of shaper downloads is available free from
http://neme-s.org/shaper%20Books/shaper book page.htm.
The link works and there is a lot!The NEME-s site carries their monthly Gazette and is a really worthwhile site to join.
Meanwhile the Duplex book now seems out of print, Ive tried Tee Pub, Camden and Amazon -all drew a blank, anyone know of a source?
Welcome aboard...another devotee that enjoys "bullets" pinging about the workshop.
As you will have seen from my previous posts, I have owned a wee Boxford Shaper for well over 20 years. It is a great wee machine with a lower bottom stroke speed than the Elliott 10M. So I still prefer the Boxford for some jobs.
I notice that you are another guy that had previously decided to let a Shaper go, through lack of space. I hope you now see the error of your ways.
I hope you are starting to see through some of these posts...that really afflicted Shaper "nuts" just will not part with their machine.
I'll bet the NEMES site blew you away, with the amount of Shaper info on there.
I wouldn't worry too much about not being able to track down the small "Duplex" book at present.
You will find more than enough info on tool angles, tool types and how to use a Shaper on the site mentioned above. There are full training documents and all sorts.
If I come across another copy of the "Duplex" book, I will let you know.
CD full of info on shapers and tooling, I know it's not free but once you buy it you have got a copy so if the other sites vanish you still have your copy and all money goes into buying and scanning other out of print manuals.
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Thanks Adam for highlighting this CD...I will probably buy one myself.
Any idea what the four books are on the CD?
Doesn't say on the web site...strange cos' the other CD's on the site have more detail about whats all on them.
My name is Brian Thompson, I'm 63 years old and due to retire in 10 days time (and counting).
I haven't even seen a shaper since I was 13 (which, those of you who are good at sums will be able to work out, is 50 years ago).
However, having seen a number of people enthusing about them I succumbed to temptation and bought one. A Boxford - which, I think, is what we had at school.
It should arrive on Wednesday, 28th July.
My intention is to restore it as my first retirement project. What, if anything, I will use it for when it has been restored is another matter but we shall see.
It has a 3-phase motor so the first job will be to change that for a single-phase one (or get an inverter. Has anyone got any real experience of those things?) so that I can make sure it works. There isn't much point in restoring something and then finding it doesn't work and not knowing whether it ever worked in the first place.
I have a BT broadband system which entitles me to a web page of my own. I intend to post details of my progress on that page so that anyone interested can see how I get on.
That pre-supposes that I can figure how to get a web page working - I've been a computer software developer for 42 years but the latest technology is passing me by. I suppose that's why I'm going back to basics with a shaper.
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